lewis cOct 24th, 2006 - 15:04:40

whey he bring it with him. in the frist place?

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Mandeep SinghOct 24th, 2006 - 15:39:05

Here is your answer http://www.sikhism.com/books/teachingtheyouth/whycarryadagger.htm

May God help you see others viewpoint.

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James DeanOct 24th, 2006 - 17:31:53

Read the article on the link that Mandeep Singh recommended and I wish that the goverment would understand why Siks wear the dagger... to me it is perfectly acceptable and I can only speak for myself. God Speed my siik friends... may one god bless all.

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KuccioOct 24th, 2006 - 17:52:51

The fact remains that if allowed, they would be able to do what no one else in the country could (with good reason) because of their religion. They would have an right not extended to people of other faiths or no faith because of their religion. It's that simple and if allowed, that frightening.

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Mai K. LayaOct 24th, 2006 - 18:21:57

Sikhs, who number in the millions, all over the world carry the kirpan. I have never heard of one committing a crime with one. This is a VERYimportant part of the religion.

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KuccioOct 24th, 2006 - 18:32:43

There actually have been crimes committed with a kirpan (one just recently in Canada) but that's not the point. They are given a special right because of their religion. This is not a Danish rule about not chewing gum in public, it's about carrying a knife. No matter what other word you use to name it, it's still a knife. I'm sorry but my right to be safe in my country trumps your right to carry a knife. Once again it's that simple....or of course, everyone gets to carry a knife.

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sukhpalOct 24th, 2006 - 19:20:39

It is important to note. A kirpan is not a knife but a article of faith. A baseball bat is a bat but can be used as a weapon. There are numerous school supplies that can be used as weapons. Yes there was a recent case in Canada with regarding usage of weapons on a home invasion. These were not Kirpans but swords. Yes, even the media makes mistakes.WoW image that. BTW Baseball bats were also used.
It is true with the 1 million plus batized sikhs out of 20 million sikhs in the world. No baptied sikh has ever been documented using the kirpan as a weapon. Sikhs have way too much respect for there there responiblies to the community.
I also find it interested that weapons can be carried when hunting or as a peace offier in Denmark. But a non-weapon cannot as a article of faith.
This arguement is not about kirpan but can Denmark accept Sikhs as a whole as Danish. The court judgement clearly say, sikhs are welcome but need to change there religion practice. I believe that is the wrong judgement.

Regards

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KuccioOct 24th, 2006 - 19:47:43

If I remember correctly the kirpan can be any length, even as long as a sword. There is not even any consensus in the Kikh community about how long it should be so many it was a kirpan, just a long one. And the bat arguement holds no water, anything can be used as a weapon but does that mean we should just throw up our hands and give everyone guns, not try to keep them off the street? Of course not. But once again, that's not the point. The point is that because of their religion they have a right that I do not have..I'll repeat, a right that I do not have..how can that be fair to anyone. So anybody can move to any country and expect that they will never have to modify any behavior, even religious? Come on. The real quesions is whether baptized Sikhs will meet the Danish government half way and realize they must make sacrifices or will they continue to demand that they be given special rights to disregard a law which safeguards all Danish?

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mandeep singhOct 24th, 2006 - 21:42:02

I'm amazed that so many people do really understand and its perfectly Ok if it doesn't make any sense to few.

Let me use my brain cells to it full capablity, hope I can explain something.

First and foremost, this is a religion where we all followers are students who are here learn. Obviously, one who wants to learn needs a teacher. Most importantly to learn something you need faith in your teacher. So our teacher Sahib Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, advised us a particular life style, to cleanse our heart and spread message of equality to all humanity.

The unique identity makes us very visible in public and otherwise. Personally it creates a hugh sense of responsibility, to be careful with whatever your are doing. So whatever a Sikh do, a business person, a lawyer, a engineer, a worker or anything, he/she has to hold human values first.
The term that guru gobind singh Ji gave us is SAINT-SOLDIER

All sikhs are expected to act and think like a Saint. Besides being Saint he/she can't be coward to not being able to protect himself/herself or somebody else. Thats called perfect mind body co-ordination.

Now aboiut the symbol Kirpan. The Kirpan is one of the gift from Guru Gobind Singh Ji to all Khalsa Sikhs. It is not to be judged and measured as a weapon of war or peace, it is a gift activated by the love of the Guru. Even if you have a whole army of bodyguards even then it doesn't make it redundant. It shall always remain attached to a Sikh. The kirpan is the love wherein the Guru resides.
Moreover Sikh's don't carry it, they WEAR it. Like we don't carry clothes, we wear them.

In the end, it's about belief. And usually we don't argue about it. But outside India sometimes we have to answer these questions.

Better resources are here:
http://www.mrsikhnet.com
http://www.sikhnet.com

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NipsOct 25th, 2006 - 09:15:47

A response to some of the previous posts...

Kuccio wrote: 'The fact remains that if allowed, they would be able to do what no one else in the country could (with good reason) because of their religion. They would have an right not extended to people of other faiths or no faith '

You obviously did not read the article very well...I suggest you reread the article in particular the second paragraph....for the sake of argument lets assume the kirpan is a knife. If you say you need to carry the knife because of your religion it is forbidden. But if you say you need it to hunt or fish or for recreational activities it is okay!

If that is not a double standard then I do not know what is.

Here is the second paragraph !

The Eastern High Court said that although Indian national Ripudaman Singh wore the blunt knife as a 'religious symbol,' it was still a violation of a ban on bearing weapons, including knives, except for carrying out a trade, hunting, fishing or other recreational activities.

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